My brain was on hyperdrive today even though I was uber tired. I thought about philosophy all day. My life has been a struggle to juxtapose my dual nature (yes Sartre it IS dual), balance physical and psychological. I've destroyed my body, tried to repair it, etc. etc. I've been trying to come up with my own philosophy on the dual nature of humans, how people can be a summation of themselves and also exist in dual dimensions. I need some sort of fusion between soul and body... maybe that's what Descartes lacked. Anyway, I thought about that...
And I thought a lot about politics, and the unbridgable gap between philosophical politics and politics in actuality. There's so many great ideals for societal systems, so many social contracts, so many different theories of government. Monarchy, plutocracy, anarchy, oligarchy, democracy, socialism, theocracy... they are all lovely in theory but they can never work. Take socialism. It's a fantastic idea. But put it into practice and it degrades into communism. Communism as an ideal is great too. But put communism into practice and you achieve 'absolute' corruption of one individual due to an excess of 'absolute' power. I'm pretty sure as well that democracy is pretty much impossible to achieve in reality.
The problem with all social theories, and most theories of any nature, is that they work perfectly well in calculators, on paper, in people's minds, but once you try to enact them they all deteriorate into chaos. I know that different logistics and discrete math can be used to predict chaos, but in my opinion that's a bit of an oxymoron. Chaos is unpredictable. We can make some accurate conjectures on how a society will react to something based on political knowledge and precedent, but in reality chaos controls. We cannot be guaranteed that a system will behave in the predicted way. I guess it's all chaos theory...
I was also thinking today about Darwinism, and how many have manipulated it i.e. Herbert Spencer, and I was wondering if it could possibly be directly applied to psychology. That seems to be implying determinism though, which nobody really wants to believe when it comes to psychology. We can believe that evolution exists on a biological basis, and that due to the berevity of our generation it is difficult to manipulate, and that one generation could never reap the benefits of its own manipulation anyway. But could we accept that evolution occurs on a psychological level, that the evolution of the mind follows set rules, rules that seem like chaos to us now but really dictate psychological development absolutely? Is it even possible?
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That is an interesting thought about evolution applying psychologically...theoretically that would have to be the case if evolution occurs physically. In physical reality, there is no separating mind and body.
I totally agree with you about chaos theory - a little absurd to try and predict chaos. And though it's completely unscientific, I wonder if chaos is really the explanation or if the explanation might be sin and the sinful nature of people and the effects that has had on our world/history/etc.
(BTW, I'm Ashlee's friend.)
hey,
i came across your blog just awhile ago, and as always am amazed by your daily thoughts :)
anyway, I was just going to leave this little note about your thoughts on evolution: the only problem with what you are proposing is that evolution, on either a biological or psychological level, does not follow any set of rules (survival of the fittest, adaptation, and mutation are not laws that follow a set path, they are only principles that help explain change). So even if the mind does evolve, which i'm positive it does even on the individual level to a certain extent, that does not mean it is deterministic. that would entirely defeat the purpose of evolution, for by its very nature evolution does not follow any set of absolute rules. in fact i would argue that the purpose of evolution is to demonstrate that absolute rules do not exist in nature and as a process, evolution is meant to discard the perception of such "rules". I think this is even more true when applied on a personal level (even if that can only be done in a comparative, not strictly scientific, manner).
oh- and as far as chaos theory goes, you're right: it is a bit of an oxymoron. but what you pointed out about it ultimately being completely unpredictable fits in with a personal evolution of the mind if you accept what i said above. All of this stuff is unpredictable in the end, and is why i don't believe in any sort of determinism.
anyway, I hope you don't mind my popping up like this.
morgan
ber- true, physically there is no separation... and trying to explain chaos seems a bit pointless to me. chaos may be an explanation or it may be an excuse, who knows... i'll think about that tonight.
view from the fishbowl- do you think darwin intended evolution to follow a chaotic rather than determinable pattern? that would mean studying it would only provide knowledge, and no means of manipulation. don't you think some laws can be established? how can a theory even works if all it attempts to predict is chaos? like we said, i think that predicting chaos, or pretending too, is futile, although it's seems to sorta work with the weather. :-)
secondly, are you the morgan i know? it's a bit too coincidental if you are not. if so... how in the world did you find my blog? now you know everything about me, everything there really is to know... or at least you have access to it. but if you're the morgan i know, i won't worry about that, as i do trust you completely... but (again if you're who i think you are) you now have the power to destroy my life... just keep that in mind.
if i don't know you, hello, nice to meet you, it would be a crazy coincidence for you to come here accidentally and be from the same town.
hey,
first, yes i am the morgan you know (it would be way too much of a crazy coincidence if i wasn't). as for how i came across your blog: i use shea's login info at Carroll and one afternoon I was using the scroll function to get to my e-mail provider, clicked on your site by mistake and then thought why on earth would shea be visiting a site called peacefreak, so i took a look and within about two seconds figured out it was you. As for the the other stuff- you should know that anything i read i consider highly personal and confidential and would never do or say anything to betray that or hurt you in any way. i will of course not read your blog if you wish- i respect that fully. and believe me, almost nothing you have written couldn't be said of myself. we have a lot more in common than you think, i believe. I've actually been meaning to talk to you for awhile, and have a letter waiting to send your way. you know sometimes how you hesitate though, becuase you can't predict how something will be received?(oohh- a random link to our discussion!) anyway, I did that for awhile and then realized i might as well just take the chance. so there is my explanation of how i suddenly appeared on your blog; i really hope you don't mind, but again I will respect whatever your wishes are about it.
now back this question of evolution: i agree with your point, that 1)chaos is unpredictable and 2)that if evolution is chaotic, it can only provide knowledge. this is where our interpretations diverge, though. where you see a problem with the second, I see the very point. For darwin didn't 'intend' evolution to do anything; it is simply his theory about how natural change occurs. it isn't meant to be controlled by any power, it is only a mechanism of change and an explanation for his observations. This i think is the heart of it: for all these theories presuppose a state of chaos (or if you prefer- a nondeterministic universe) and only seek to interpret and understand what they can from it. Yes, this means that all that can be gained from studying evolutionary relationships or chaos theory is knowledge, and in time that knowledge might be replaced with new information, but that is what makes this world interesting and science a realm of infinite possibilities.
wow that was long, sorry ;)
morgan
morgan- on evolution, okay i can understand your point now. maybe i have just lost all of my esteem in man and am so cynical as to believe they (wow i type that as if i'm not one of them) would only be interested in things they could manipulate to their advantage, rather than absorb for the sake of knowledge. it seems to come back to moral relativism, and, lol, to if there will be a day when it's okay to rape small children... that doesn't seem related but to me it does. having a theory that predicts chaos... having a system of values that cannot define right or wrong, that says the only absolute is that there are no absolutes... life seems to contradict itself at every turn. maybe i should stop analyzing everything. anyway, it all gets a bit muddled in my mind.
my gosh you are smart by the way. :-)
lol, shea doesn't seem like a pacifist fanatic to you? i think that name pretty much describes what my life has become though, or at least what i want it so badly to become.
don't worry, i do trust you completely, and i'm not going to start censoring anything in here. this is the only place in my life i can tell the truth. every day is a lie. i'm a writer at heart. it seems like only in written words can i find the courage to explore myself. so to warn you i won't quit telling my absolute truth. and i don't care if you read it, because i trust you...
and because i agree with you that we have some things in common. and i know what you mean about fearing reception, but lol, if you've found this blog you've found the real heart of me. this is who i am. you have a major advangage now of knowing me while i still do not know you, and so predicting my reaction will be easier now, yes?
lol, unless choas also applies psychologically in which case i may go bananas (ha ha really bad pun- sorry, darwin, monkeys, evolution, bananas- see how my mind works?), but i sincerely doubt that, and i resent determinism and would like to believe i retain control. i like control. :-)
i'm glad you took the chance. i live in an isolated world, in that only a few people really understand me. it's always nice to get a telegraph.
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