He who is capable of thinking a little more deeply will soon perceive that human desires cannot begin to be sinful simply at that point at which, in their chance encounters with one another, they occasion harm and evil; but that, if this is what they bring about, they must be originally and in their essence sinful and reprehensible, and the entire will to live itself reprehensible. All the cruelty and torment of which the world is full is in fact merely the necessary result of the totality of the forms under which the will to live is objectified, and thus merely a commentary on the affirmation of the will to live. That our existence itself implies guilt is proved by the fact of death.

That's from the Schopenhauer book I'm reading. I just wanted to post it because I think it's really contraversial. In fact, I don't really agree with much of what Schopenhauer is saying (anothing Kant worshipper... jeesh), but I think it's an interesting take on reality. He says that because humans seek a greater degree of pleasure, they are also in actuality seeking a greater degree of pain. I do agree with him when he says utopias are impossible, becuase if there was no pain and only pleasure men would go mad and kill themselves (ruining the utopia), but I don't agree with... well, the rest.

About this passage though... I don't agree with it. I think that suffering isn't something we create from the will to live. Maybe it comes with the will to live, but I don't think it's created by it. And I don't think the will to live is, in itself, corrupted and flawed.